Update: Gateway Pundit has much more on the alleged shooter.
These appear to be the paranoid ramblings of the man in custody for shooting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 11 others, including a federal judge, in Tucson, AZ. Lots of hard left references in his favorite books, including Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto. Politico’s Ben Smith calls Laughner’s writings “socialist.”
This stuff is beyond me. Fodder for the criminal psychologists.
Sick.
Note: Correct last name is “Laughner” not “Loughner” as I originally posted. Sorry. His first name has appears as both Jerod and Jarod. This should settle out shortly as we learn more.
AND we’re back to Loughner. (I should have trusted his own Myspace page which has since been removed.)
UPDATES:
1. A woman claiming to be a classmate of Jarod Lee Loughner’s describes the alleged murderer as a “leftist” “anti-flag”
miketivist
January 8, 2011
It doesn’t get any further right wing than Mein Kampf, but the other books mentioned mainly have a left bent.
WLanning
January 9, 2011
You are so mistaken if you are trying to align Hitler with rightwing Americans. It shows your lack of understanding of the matter. Hitler was a socialist. He was also a facist (as in a rightwing European).
fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ –noun
1.(sometimes initial capital letter)a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.(initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
“Communist” Russia was a fascist state. All these were governments formed by socialist groups. Some called themselves Communists, some called themselves Socialists, and some called themselves Progressives.
Guest
January 9, 2011
Yes, Hitler was a socialist, but if you look at his ideology, he had a very conservative agenda. I’m talking about things like encouraging large families and making abortion illegal, strong support for nationalism and excessive spending on military and arms, mistrust of foreigners, Christian “values” and anti-religious sentiment, big brother-esque regimes, and tax cuts to “model” families.
Bill Hennessy
January 10, 2011
The tea party–at least in St. Louis–is opposed to “big brother-esque” government programs like a National Internet ID numberthat Barack Obama seems to favor.
It is the left, not the right, that uses tax policy to mold behavior. I have pushed the flat tax since Reagan’s first administration (Jack Kemp was my hero). Democrats, on the other hand, use tax policy to wage their class warfare.
I’d go on, but what’s the point? Taking your arguments seriously would be to insult your intelligence.
Lauren Allen
January 11, 2011
You seemed to miss the main points of the argument above.
“family values” – check
illegal abortion – check
extreme nationalism – check
mistrust of foreigners – check
excessive spending on military – check
tax cuts – check (the words “model” and “mold” are different, btw. It means that “ideal” – or large, heterosexual – families got tax cuts)
You debate only one of the points, governmental intrusion, as being something the “Tea Party” doesn’t believe in. So lets see, that’s 6 out of 7? Oh, but wait, you tack on a little cop-out at the end there. Good job.
P.S. The flat tax is a load and is only fair if all other prices are “flattened” into fixed percentages of income. Also, Reagan legalized abortion in California. Most “Tea Partiers” today would sh!t themselves rather than vote for a soulless, hollywood baby-killer, yet now they worship him. Go figure.
Bill Hennessy
January 11, 2011
Ummm. . .
Now THAT sounds like 21st century American conservatism to me.
How do you define “excessive?” What is the appropriate amount of nationalism? What do you mean by “family values?” By listing policies and announcing “check,” you might impress a professor who’s predisposed to your views, but you’re not actually saying anything. What’s the yardstick? How similar are my positions on that yardstick to the 3rd Reich’s. How many planks in the DNC’s platform would fit nicely within Nazi Germany’s? How many actions of Barack Obama’s perfectly reflect Germany’s industrial policy highlighted int he quote above?
Finally, you are correct on your definition of classical liberalism. But I think Knighthawk was using the term “classical” casually, as in “that goal was classic Gretzky.”
Lauren Allen
January 11, 2011
He was a fascist, yes, but where the hell do you get socialist? Socialism requires worker ownership of and control of the means of production. I can call myself a millionaire astronaut, but that doesn’t make it true.
Knighthawk
January 10, 2011
That is absolutely incorrect when it comes to Mein Kampf. Hitler’s Nazi’s were the National Socialist German Workers Party. They were socialists and facists, who believe the state takes precedence over individuals. That is classic liberalism. But none of that really has anything to do with this guy. He’s nothing more than a mentally ill antisocial maniac.
Lauren Allen
January 11, 2011
Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.
Socialism and Fascism are two completely different things. You don’t understand the first thing when it comes to political theory.
So really, “Tea Partiers” are pretty committed to classical liberalism. Read yourself some Mills.
But I do agree with your last two sentences.
Guest
January 8, 2011
1) “Mein Kampf” is not “hard left.” 2)His writings are paranoid, anti-government ramblings, not “socialist”(or conservative, or liberal, or libertarian, or any other coherent political ideology).
Bill Hennessy
January 8, 2011
1. Actuall, Mein Kampf is socialist. 2. Tell Ben Smith at Politico. He characterized writings as “socialist.” 3. His classmate @antderosa now confirming Loughner’s political bent on twitter.
Lauren Allen
January 11, 2011
The shooter is highly anti-government. If anything, he’s an anarchist which does not by any definition fit with either traditional American party. Now as to Catie Parker, we should all bow to a random high-schooler’s understanding of political theory, right? No doubt the kid is downright crazy and rather disturbed. It’s only logical to draw a line between a shot democrat and a republican who put crosshairs on her. It was a mistake, but one any member of the other side would have made just as quickly.
Liz Michael
January 8, 2011
MKUltra ringing any bells for you guys?
facebooksux
January 8, 2011
hahaha yes, he is ultra left and socialist, but tries to kill a person from the party that is closer to the left LOL nice try!
Guest
January 8, 2011
A lot of ultra-conservatives have read socialist writtings, but I personally think the guy is mentally disturbed. Most of his ramblings are incoherent, but the ones that aren’t seem to be bent to the right: IE. government brainwashing, anti-government, pro strict Constitutionalism, etc.
Brenniewinters
January 12, 2011
I pray that justice is served.